After the update with Teq everyone ends up in overflow so I was thinking (yes thats smoke your smelling from my brain cells) if we organised teq and 4 of us cool commanders lead it we could do in overflow ,we have several good commanders including myself,cough cough and if we all were on vent together it would be easy,if you have commander tag and is interested we need to set a schedule. Then guildys could join us and have good chance of killing.